Article 6655 of soc.genealogy.medieval: Path: news.kth.se!eru.mt.luth.se!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!hunter.premier.net!news1.erols.com!news From: William Addams Reitwiesner Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval Subject: Re: JENNIE JEROME, SIR WINSTON CHURCHILL's MOTHER Date: 22 Sep 1996 10:17:20 GMT Organization: WARGS Lines: 30 Message-ID: <5233ng$8h4@test-sun.erols.com> References: <521toa$d0j@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> <3244B784.31B0@aloha.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: spg-as6s01.erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22KIT (Windows; U; 16bit) To: spencer@aloha.net "D. Spencer Hines" wrote: >Does anyone have a good Ahnentafel for Jennie Jerome, >mother of Sir Winston Churchill, KG? I know that her father was Leonard >Jerome and her mother was Clara Hall [reportedly one-quarter Iroquois.] > > I'm trying to carry the four lines of Jennie's GrandParents back >to her French Huguenot, and other, roots, if possible. The standard sources >by Ralph G. Martin and Jennie's own memoirs are not much help, beyond the >GrandParents. See the article by Conklin Mann in a 1942 issue of the *New York Genealogical and Biographical Record*. It's volume 73, starting on page 163 and it includes a huge foldout Ahnentafel of Jennie. A more recent version of Jennie's Ahnentafel is printed (in Dutch) in *Gens Nostra*, vol. 20 (1965), p. 84. In both cases the alleged Iroquis descent is identical -- Jennie was a daughter of Leonard Jerome and Clara Hall, Clara was a daughter of Ambrose Hall and Clarissa Willcox, Clarissa was a daughter of David Willcox and Anna Baker, and Anna Baker was half-Iroquis. In fact, this is not true (even though it was firmly believed by Jennie and her descendants) -- Anna was a daughter of Joseph Baker and Experience Martin, and her ancestry is standard American Colonial of English background. Another myth bites the dust. :( William Addams Reitwiesner wrei@erols.com Article 6675 of soc.genealogy.medieval: Path: news.kth.se!nntp.uio.no!Norway.EU.net!mcvax!EU.net!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!newshost.convex.com!newsgate.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!paladin.american.edu!auvm!POP.EROLS.COM!bpetty Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval X-Sender: bpetty@pop.erols.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: <199609222207.SAA12314@smtp1.erols.com> Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 18:07:19 -0400 Reply-To: Medieval Genealogy Discussion List Sender: Medieval Genealogy Discussion List From: Barbara Petty Subject: Re: JENNIE JEROME, SIR WINSTON CHURCHILL's MOTHER Lines: 89 "D. Spencer Hines" wrote: >>Does anyone have a good Ahnentafel for Jennie Jerome, >>mother of Sir Winston Churchill, KG? I know that her father was Leonard >>Jerome and her mother was Clara Hall [reportedly one-quarter Iroquois.] >> I'm trying to carry the four lines of Jennie's GrandParents back >>to her French Huguenot, and other, roots, if possible. The standard sources >>by Ralph G. Martin and Jennie's own memoirs are not much help, beyond the >>GrandParents. >Genealogical and Biographical Record*. It's volume 73, starting on page >163 and it includes a huge foldout Ahnentafel of Jennie. >A more recent version of Jennie's Ahnentafel is printed (in Dutch) in >*Gens Nostra*, vol. 20 (1965), p. 84. >In both cases the alleged Iroquis descent is identical -- Jennie was a >daughter of Leonard Jerome and Clara Hall, Clara was a daughter of >Ambrose Hall and Clarissa Willcox, Clarissa was a daughter of David >Willcox and Anna Baker, and Anna Baker was half-Iroquis. In fact, this >is not true (even though it was firmly believed by Jennie and her >descendants) -- Anna was a daughter of Joseph Baker and Experience >Martin, and her ancestry is standard American Colonial of English >background. Another myth bites the dust. :( >William Addams Reitwiesner >wrei@erols.com Here is another rendition of Jennie's ancestry from NEHGS NEXUS, Vol. V, No. 3, June-July 1988, pp 94-96, "Notable Kin" by Gary Boyd Roberts and Michael J. Wood: Jennie Jerome; Leonard Walter Jerome & Clarissa Hall; Ambrose Hall & Clarissa Willcox; David Willcox & Anna Baker; Joseph Baker & Experience Martin; Francis Baker & Elizabeth Buffington; Joseph Baker & Isabel Sherman, Benjamin Buffington & Hannah Southwick; Daniel Baker & Elizabeth Chase, Samson Sherman & Isabel Tripp, Thomas Buffington & Sarah Southwick, Daniel Southwick & Hester Boyse; Francis Baker & Isabel Twining, William Chase, Jr., & _____, Philip Sherman & Sarah Odding, John Tripp & Mary Paine, John Southwick & Sarah ____ (parents of Sarah), Lawrence Southwick & Cassandra _____ (parents of Daniel & John), Joseph Boyce & Eleanor _____; William Twining & _____, William Chase & Mary ____, George Odding & Margaret _____, Anthony Paine & _____. Note: NEXUS, Vol. V., No. 5, Oct/Nov 1988, p. 175 "Letters to the Editor" - Re "Notable Kin: Foreign Prime Ministers.." in NEXUS (5:94-98), #1, p. 96: Sir Winston Churchill - Lawrence Southwick m. in England 25 Jan. 1623 Cassandra Burwell, both of the parish of Kinswinford, Staffordshire. Hilda E. Lincoln Gainsville, MS 65655 Note: Ronald Friestad posted on Prodigy Service 3/28/92 that he found a book "The English Ancestry and American Posterity of Joseph Southwick, 1703-1980: by Neal S. Southwick, 1976 in which he claimed he personally found the marriage of this couple in the Parish Registers of Kinswinford and the entry read: "Married 25 January 1623 Lawrence Southwick and Cassandra BURNELL both of this parish." He also found the births of several of their children. Note: NEHGS NEXUS, Vol. V, No. 6, "Letters to the Editor", p. 214: Regarding Lawrence Southwick and Cassandra ____ (NEXUS 5[June]:96), according to a Buffum genealogy by Fred S. Hammond, the maiden name of this Cassandra Southwick was Potter. She was the daughter of Thomas Potter, who was Mayor of Coventry, Warwickshire, in 1622. This conclusion is based on the will of Rebecca Potter, who married William Bacon and came to Salem in 1641. In her will she mentions among others sisters Boyce, Southwick, Avery, Hoines, all of Salem, and sister Judith Potter, who is still in England. I cannot verify this information, but the authors of that most interesting article might wish to pursue it. I continue to enjoy the publications of the Society. Mary Jane Plumer Pryer Santa Ana, California Note: Since Lawrence Southwick mentioned a John Burnell in his will and he was treated equally with the other children, it may be that Cassandra had been married to a Burnell before her marriage to Southwick? Southwick also left a bequest to Ann Potter. According to Pioneers of Massachusetts, the wife of Mr. William Bacon of Salem Massachusetts, Rebecca Potter, had a brother Humphrey. She and her husband been of Dublin in 1639. Her brother Humphrey had been killed in the massacre in Ireland and left one daughter Ann, taken to Coventry, and thence brought to Salem where she married Anthony Needham. I'd be interested if anyone has information about the Potters of Coventry, Warwickshire or can elaborate on this at all. Barb Petty bpetty@erols.com